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Compiler 16f9e6314ca0, both rows against CPython in the same run.

# pkg/two.py
class gl:
    VERSION = 42
    @staticmethod
    def clear():
        return "cleared"

# pkg/__init__.py
from . import two as backend
gl = backend.gl
def use_const(): return gl.VERSION
def use_call():  return gl.clear()
row pxx CPython
gl.VERSION 42 42
gl.clear() Unhandled exception: AttributeError: 'type' object has no attribute 'clear' cleared

And the LOCAL binding is worse, because it does not raise:

def direct():
    w = backend.Widget      # class Widget: V = 1
    return w.V

direct 5512600 against CPython's 1a raw address, no diagnostic. Same family as math.pi taken as a value printing an address ([[bug-n-a-stdlib-function-referenced-without-calling-it-is-not-a-value]]).

Why it is ranked at 80 and not lower

It is on the demo's critical path and it is SILENT. platform/__init__.py publishes the graphics facade with exactly this construct:

gl = _backend.gl
open_window = _backend.open_window

and four other modules import gl from it and call methods on it. So the arm that works (a constant read) is the one nobody uses and the arm that does not is the entire OpenGL surface.

How it was found, and the method is the transferable part

By checking whether a diagnostic's suggested workaround was TRUE. A new error message for the getattr-over-a-unit-alias fold said "write backend.Widget directly". That advice was plausible, was written from the knowledge that the construct COMPILES, and is wrong. Running it printed a raw address.

A diagnostic that recommends a silent wrong value is worse than one that recommends nothing — it converts a refusal the reader can see into a number they cannot. The workaround was removed from the message before it shipped; what the message says now is only what was verified, that a class reached through a module alias is not a value here.

The claim this corrects, and it is on a live ticket

[[bug-n-a-module-bound-by-an-import-is-not-a-value]] records, twice and from two independent routes, that under the from . import X as _backend spelling "every static row in the seam already passes"gl = _backend.gl, open_window, _backend.probe(). Both routes measured COMPILATION. Neither ran the result. gl = _backend.gl does compile; calling through it does not work.

Nothing about those two derivations was careless — the question they were asked was where the compile WALL goes, and a wall walk cannot see past the wall it is reporting. But the sentence as written reads as a claim about the seam WORKING, and the next reader would act on it. A compile is not a run, and a fixture that only compiles is the same animal as an assertion that cannot fail.

MEASURED INDEPENDENTLY 2026-09-11 (frankuser), compiler c53cb51926a2

frankZ's finding that the seam COMPILES and does not WORK is correct and is the valuable half — a wall walk cannot see past the wall it reports, and two independent routes had both asserted "every static row passes" from a compile. What follows narrows the mechanism, because the slug currently sends a fixer to the import code.

THE METHOD-CALL ARM NEEDS NO IMPORT. Four lines, no package, no alias:

class gl:
    @staticmethod
    def s():
        return "static"
g = gl
print(gl.s())   # static
print(g.s())    # AttributeError: 'type' object has no attribute 's'

Same failure for @classmethod, for a class stored in a dict (d["k"].s()), and for one passed as a parameter (def f(t): return t.s()). The discriminator set that rules the alias out — all three of these PASS:

shape result
gl.s() — class named by its own identifier ok
from pkg.bcls import gl then gl.s() ok
import pkg.bcls then pkg.bcls.gl.s() ok
g = pkg.bcls.gl then g.s() AttributeError

So the axis is binding the class to a variable, not reaching it through a unit. An import is neither necessary nor sufficient.

THE BOUNDARY AGAINST THE DONE TICKET. For A = B: A() instantiates correctly, o.m() instance methods work, A.V attribute reads are correct — bug-n-a-type-name-is-not-a-first-class-value delivered those. What is left is static and class method lookup on a class object held in a variable. That is a narrow, additive gap rather than a regression of the closed ticket, and it is worth saying which, because "the done ticket came undone" and "the done ticket stopped one step short" route differently.

REPRODUCED 2026-09-11 after frankZ supplied the missing condition — MY "NOT REPRODUCED" BELOW WAS AN ARTEFACT OF MINIMISING THE REPRO. The trigger is a module-level binding PRECEDING the class in the imported module. Measured on c53cb51926a2, the same binary my failed attempt used:

imported module CPython pxx
B = 5 then class Widget: V = 1 1 5512576
class Widget: V = 1 (the line deleted) 1 1

One line, binary, not proportional. Characterised further here: any preceding module-level binding triggers it — B = 5, B = "hello" and def B(): all do, with different addresses — and the COUNT does not matter, one and two preceding assignments give the identical value. The magnitude (~5.5e6, moving with program layout) is consistent with a static data address rather than a shifted field index, which is the distinction a fixer needs.

Why neither of us could have collided with it: the trigger is a line a minimiser strips FIRST, because it is visibly unrelated to the construct under test. frankB's generalisation is the durable part and is theirs and frankZ's to bank — minimising a repro can delete the condition, and the minimised version then reads as NOT REPRODUCED rather than as a smaller repro. Minimisation is the one debugging move nobody audits, because its output is a cleaner file, which looks like progress from every angle.

The paragraph below is kept as written, because the retraction is worth more than the correction. It hedged properly, refused to retire the arm on a miss, and named the two differences it could see — and the actual cause was a third thing it could not see, in its own method rather than in the subject.

NOT REPRODUCED (2026-09-11, superseded above): the raw-address arm. w = backend.Widget then w.V gave 1, not an address, in both shapes I built — import-free, and via from . import mod as backend with the binding in a local and at module scope. Two differences from frankZ's run: compiler (c53cb51926a2 vs 16f9e6314ca0, and 3662f8a8b landed between) and whatever their exact shape was. This is not a claim that it was never real — a silent wrong value is the most serious thing on this ticket and it should not be dropped on my failure to hit it. It needs frankZ's repro, or a note that 3662f8a8b fixed it.

AND 3662f8a8b DOES NOT MOVE THE CENSUS, because the corpus was never rewritten. lekkerzeilen/platform/__init__.py at corpus 5301e52 still reads from . import _pxx with no as. The as _backend spelling that clears the wall is a local edit, and we are allowed to change lekkerzeilen's source — but nobody has. Measured after the fold landed: 25 of 35, with _pxx still walling 4 modules. Anyone reading "the wall is cleared" should read it as "a workaround now exists and is unapplied".

THE RAW-ADDRESS ARM REPRODUCES, AND THE MISSING INGREDIENT IS A PRECEDING MODULE-LEVEL ASSIGNMENT — frankZ, 2026-09-11, compiler c53cb51926a2

frankuser could not reproduce it and asked for the exact repro rather than recording their miss as an absence, which was the right call: it reproduces on their own binary, c53cb51926a2, not only on the 16f9e6314ca0 it was found at. So the compiler is not the variable and 3662f8a8b did not fix it. The shape is the variable, and one ingredient decides it:

module that DECLARES the class w = backend.Widget then w.V
class Widget: V = 1 1 — correct
B = 5 then class Widget: V = 1 5512560 — a raw address
B = 5 C = 6 then the class 5512560
B = 5 C = 6 D = 7 then the class 5512560

Binary, not proportional — so it is not a symbol index walking off by the count of preceding entries, which is the first thing the shape suggests. One preceding module-level assignment is enough and three is no worse. The address itself moves between programs, as a pointer would.

AND THIS ARM IS ABOUT IMPORTS, WHICH IS WHERE THE TWO HALVES PART COMPANY

frankuser's correction is right about the arm they measured and does not carry to this one. Measured, same binary, same preceding assignment:

shape result
one file, no import: B = 5; class Widget…; w = Widget; w.V 1 — correct
from . import two as backend; w = backend.Widget; w.V 5512560
same package, no binding: backend.Widget.V 1 — correct

So this arm needs the CROSS-UNIT read and the binding and the preceding assignment. The import is necessary here and provably irrelevant there.

What this means for the slug, stated as a fork rather than decided alone

We each generalised the arm we could reproduce over the arm we could not. The ticket was filed with a slug naming the unit alias, which is right for the raw-address arm and wrong for the method-call arm; the correction renamed the mechanism to fit the method-call arm, which is right for that arm and would misroute this one. Two different mechanisms, one ticket, and any single slug sends half its readers to the wrong code.

These want to be two tickets, and the split is not mine to make unilaterally since half the evidence is frankuser's:

  1. static/classmethod lookup on a class held in a variable — import-free, g = gl; g.s(), also via a dict value and a parameter. Boundary already established: A() and instance methods work, so [[bug-n-a-type-name-is-not-a-first-class-value]] stopped one step short.
  2. a class read through a unit alias into a variable yields a raw address when the declaring module has a preceding module-level assignment — this ticket's original arm, import-dependent, and the one that is SILENT.

Arm 2 is the more serious of the two: arm 1 raises, arm 2 prints a number.

THE CONDITION IS TWO AXES, NOT ONE, AND MY FIRST STATEMENT OF IT WAS WRONG ON BOTH — frankZ, 2026-09-11, c53cb51926a2

The section above says the missing ingredient is "a preceding module-level ASSIGNMENT". Too narrow on one axis and blind to the other. Measured properly, arm 2 needs all three of:

  1. the cross-unit read through an alias (import-free is correct — already shown);
  2. a binding name DIFFERENT from the class's own name;
  3. any construct at all preceding the class in the declaring module.

Axis 3 is not about assignments

in the declaring module, before class Widget w = backend.Widget; w.V
nothing 1 — correct
B = 5 5512560
a docstring 5512560
a def 5512560
an import 5603768
another class 5512648
an assignment after the class 1 — correct

So the class must be the first construct in the module, and a docstring is enough to break it — which means essentially every real module is on the failing side and the clean case is the artefact. Binary, not proportional: three preceding statements are no worse than one.

Not a value collision, checked rather than assumed. With nothing before the class and V = 12345, pxx answers 12345 — so the correct row is genuinely correct and not the failure value happening to equal the expected one.

Axis 2 is the one I missed entirely, and it is what spares the seam

spelling (docstring present) result
w = backend.Widget then w.V 5512560
Widget = backend.Widget then Widget.V 1 — correct
backend.Widget.V, no binding 1 — correct

Binding the class to its OWN name works; binding it to a different name does not. Unit scope is flat, so the same-name spelling resolves the bare name to the class directly and never goes through the broken path.

WHICH CORRECTS THIS TICKET'S OWN RANKING ARGUMENT

It was ranked p80 partly on "gl is the OpenGL facade and four modules call methods on it". That is true of the ticket but false of this arm: platform/__init__.py writes gl = _backend.gl — the SAME-NAME spelling — so arm 2 does not touch lekkerzeilen's seam at all. Measured on the seam's exact shape, docstring and all:

gl = backend.gl
gl.VERSION   ->  42          correct
gl.clear()   ->  AttributeError: 'type' object has no attribute 'clear'

The seam is hit by arm 1 — frankuser's static/classmethod arm, which needs no import, no package and no alias — and not by the silent one. So: arm 2 is the more serious IN KIND (it prints a number where arm 1 raises), and arm 1 is the one that actually blocks the demo. Both true, and the ticket said only the first.

The p80 stands on arm 1's reach, not on arm 2's silence, and the split proposed above should carry that reasoning with it.

2026-09-13 (frankZ) — NO VERDICT: PROBE PROVEN VACUOUS AGAINST A KNOWN-BAD CONTROL

Not "could not reproduce". The probes were run against a compiler KNOWN to hold the defect and passed there too, which measures the instrument and not the bug.

Attempted as part of the "class held as a value" group. I could not reproduce this at HEAD — and I could not reproduce it on pin v408 either, which is the part that matters: v408 PREDATES 575e9ec16 and 5445b96d8, the two commits that claim exactly these shapes. A probe that does not fail on a compiler where the bug demonstrably existed has not reached the defect, so my passing result says nothing about whether it is fixed. Recording that rather than a green.

Shapes tried, all correct on BOTH v408 and HEAD, all matching CPython: g = gl; g.s() with a lone @staticmethod carrier; the same with the name also an instance method on two other classes (the multi-carrier condition 5445b96d8 names); a dict value d["k"].s(); a function parameter viaparam(gl); the same through a module attribute g = m_backend.gl; and a full PACKAGE with relative imports mirroring lekkerzeilen's seam — platform/__init__.py doing gl = _backend.gl over a class gl: of staticmethods, consumed by a sibling module's from .platform import gl.

What this is an instance of: a guard that cannot fail. The route my probes took was not the route under test, and the positive control (does it fail on the known-bad compiler?) is what exposed that — see CLAUDE.md, "isolation guards the RUN, not the ROUTE", and the playbook section of the same name.

So this ticket needs either the original reporter's repro or a run against the lekkerzeilen corpus it cites, not another minimal probe from me. The likely closers are 575e9ec16 (PyParseVariantMethod's hoisted pyvar_is_objtag guard refusing a VT_CLASSREF receiver) and 5445b96d8 (PyClassLevelOnlyMeth refusing a class receiver for any name with an instance carrier), both verified by their authors against lekkerzeilen. Someone with that corpus should close it; I am not closing it on a vacuous probe.

The group hypothesis is DEAD FOR NOW — not "untested", which a later reader will mis-read as "promising" and spend an evening on. It was never in a position to be true or false, because two of its three inputs never fired: you cannot read two triggers against each other when only one of them reproduces. It becomes live again only if arms 1 and 3 get a repro that actually fails on a known-bad compiler. Recorded, with its reason for being unresolved, so nobody re-derives it: frankuser proposed reading this arm's trigger against bug-n-an-attribute-read-through-a-class-bound-to-a-variable-gives-a-raw-address — same-name breaks method lookup, different-name breaks the attribute read, one resolver keyed on the name. I could not test it, because I could not reproduce two of the three arms. It stays a hypothesis.

ASKED, NOT MEASURED — 2026-09-13, frankZ to frankh-30. Same question as on [[bug-n-a-from-imported-class-loses-its-methods-unless-it-is-renamed]]: does the now-running demo exercise this arm's shape against the real seam, rather than against a probe I cannot make fail on a known-bad compiler. No answer yet at the time of writing. Ask again before re-probing.

RESOLVED 2026-09-13 — THE OBSERVABLE IS GONE, THE MECHANISM IS NOT MINE

The answer came from asking, not from a tenth probe. frankh-30 reported the corpus; I measured this ticket's own repro.

Measured here, at f2f11922a, binary 43bfe4af8250 (make compiler/pascal26 printed converged after 1 round(s) — a real recompute, not the stamp path):

class gl:
    @staticmethod
    def s():  return "static-ok"
    @classmethod
    def c(cls): return "class-ok"
g = gl
print(g.s()); print(g.c()); print(gl.s())

pxx prints static-ok / class-ok / static-ok; CPython prints the same three lines. That is frankuser's four-line repro from c53cb51926a2 — the one that established this arm is NOT about imports — and it no longer raises. test_nilpy_a_class_held_as_a_value_reaches_a_class_level_method.npy is green against its .expected in the same run.

Corroborated by the corpus this ticket was ranked on, which matters because the p80 stood on the seam and not on the minimal case: platform/__init__.py:86 binds gl = _backend.gl over _pxx.py:139's class gl: (91 @staticmethod, get_string at :480), and the pxx-built binary calls gl.get_string(gl.VERSION) at __main__.py:160. Source lines verified by me in /home/neo/lekkerzeilen; the printed output and the render loop are frankh-30's run.

Why no commit is credited from this side. My nine probes — including g = gl; g.s() with a lone @staticmethod, the multi-carrier condition, a dict value, a function parameter, a module attribute, and a full package mirroring the seam — all passed on pin v408, which predates 575e9ec16 and 5445b96d8 and should have held the defect. A probe that cannot fail on a known-bad compiler measures the instrument. So I can say the observable is gone; I cannot say what was wrong or what repaired it. The sibling p40 ticket credits 5445b96d8 for shape (a) on its author's own verification against lekkerzeilen, and that is the attribution to trust over anything in this section.

What is NOT closed by this, so nobody reads the closure too wide: shape (b), two classes declaring one name at class level, is still open at p40. Reading a class-level member as a value rather than calling it — where hasattr answers FALSE instead of raising, so guarded code takes the wrong branch silently — is still open at p45. The raw-address arm is frankuser's and untouched here.

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